Songwriting Groups

I have had some great messages about song writing and how to develop / go further with this wonderful art form. 
Im a member of Suzette Herft's song writing circle which has been absolutely brilliant for my development. There is nothing like having your song torn apart by people you trust and respect to make you try that little bit harder! It can be a bit confronting but, given that the idea of a song is to try and connect with people, to try and bring them into the vision or mood you are trying to create,  it makes sense to test the song out in a small, supportive group before subjecting it to the scrutiny of the "wide world" (to quote Ratty from the Wind in the Willows" "beyond the wild woods is the wide world and that concerns neither you or me. We shall never talk of this again"). Oooops, how did I get here? One of the main criticisms I get for early versions of my songs is "I'm a bit confused, who is actually speaking and what is this song about?" I think this blog falls into this category. So to cut to the chase - join a songwriting group, or if you can't find one, create one. 

4 comments

  • Richard

    Richard Ocean Grove

    True of so many things! The key elements are trust and respect. Our competitive culture, and the cult of 'originality' tends to make us slow to trust in this way. I work at a university, and it is often very hard to get people to share drafts for comment and work together -- but the result is so much better, and the journey so much more fun when you do.

    True of so many things! The key elements are trust and respect. Our competitive culture, and the cult of 'originality' tends to make us slow to trust in this way. I work at a university, and it is often very hard to get people to share drafts for comment and work together -- but the result is so much better, and the journey so much more fun when you do.

  • Suzette

    Suzette Melbourne

    So true Richard. There has to be trust and respect and a willingness, in our case, to really listen. Hopefully, we are reminded that the true intention is about making us all better song writers, and not about envy and competition. If we can leave that stuff at the door before we enter then we are all the better for it. Regarding your lyrics for the co-write with Patrick - 'This city has no walls'... I love it. The melody fits it beautifully too. Suzette.

    So true Richard. There has to be trust and respect and a willingness, in our case, to really listen. Hopefully, we are reminded that the true intention is about making us all better song writers, and not about envy and competition. If we can leave that stuff at the door before we enter then we are all the better for it. Regarding your lyrics for the co-write with Patrick - 'This city has no walls'... I love it. The melody fits it beautifully too. Suzette.

  • Vince b

    Vince b Melb

    Hi Patrick Nice tune lovely work and the triplets always nice to hear. It sounds like dadgad, it's one of the tune I first learnt! Bannish Misfortune falls well under the fingers, you may know it?

    Hi Patrick
    Nice tune lovely work and the triplets always nice to hear.
    It sounds like dadgad, it's one of the tune I first learnt!
    Bannish Misfortune falls well under the fingers, you may
    know it?

  • Patrick Evans

    Patrick Evans

    Hi Vince, Thanks for your comments. Yes DADGAD it is, well spotted. Capo on the third fret. I do know Banish Misfortune but havent tried it in DADGAD. I'll give it a go. Cheers Patrick

    Hi Vince, Thanks for your comments. Yes DADGAD it is, well spotted. Capo on the third fret. I do know Banish Misfortune but havent tried it in DADGAD. I'll give it a go. Cheers Patrick

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